The singer recently sat down with Rolling Stone for their October 2019 cover story, and as he has many times throughout her career since that infamous 2009 incident, the topic of Kanye came up. While discussing reconnecting with ‘Ye before the 2015 MTV VMAs, Swift explained what happened behind-the-scenes that made her feel he is two-faced.
“The 2015 VMAs come around. He’s getting the Vanguard Award,” Swift began. “He called me up beforehand—I didn’t illegally record it, so I can’t play it for you. But he called me up, maybe a week or so before the event, and we had maybe over an hour-long conversation, and he’s like, ‘I really, really would like for you to present this Vanguard Award to me, this would mean so much to me,’ and went into all the reasons why it means so much, because he can be so sweet. He can be the sweetest. And I was so stoked that he asked me that. And so I wrote this speech up, and then we get to the VMAs and I make this speech and he screams, ‘MTV got Taylor Swift up here to present me this award for ratings!’ And I’m standing in the audience with my arm around his wife, and this chill ran through my body. I realized he is so two-faced. That he wants to be nice to me behind the scenes, but then he wants to look cool, get up in front of everyone and talk shit.”
She went on to explain that ‘Ye sent her flowers the following day to apologize and she accepted, and soon after he’d called her about the line he planned to put in his 2016 The Life of Pablo cut, “Famous.”
“So when he gets on the phone with me, and I was so touched that he would be respectful and, like, tell me about this one line in the song. And I was like, ‘Okay, good. We’re back on good terms.’ And then when I heard the song, I was like, ‘I’m done with this. If you want to be on bad terms, let’s be on bad terms, but just be real about it.’ And then he literally did the same thing to Drake. He gravely affected the trajectory of Drake’s family and their lives. It’s the same thing. Getting close to you, earning your trust, detonating you. I really don’t want to talk about it anymore because I get worked up, and I don’t want to just talk about negative shit all day, but it’s the same thing. Go watch Drake talk about what happened.”
You can read Taylor Swift’s full interview over at Rolling Stone.
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